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Does Race Matter (Participation)

January 19, 2012

Lets continue conversation about race, how we talk about race, how race matters, and why there is a denial to idea that race matters

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  1. DeShaun Mizner permalink

    The guy in the last video is a Controversial issue genius. He perfectly explains to me how the issue is so blunt and so simple, yet finding a solution is almost impossible because the predominant race can’t see the entire issue.
    I agree with this man 110% on the fact that race matters. Without race, the economy would take a giant leap back in time. Today, thousands of companies do surveys for products with one of their main questions includes what race they are. Race matters when it comes to healthcare. Planned Parenthood admits that they aim to put there buildings in heavily black populated areas because of the high birth rates. The topic is so easy to understand as long as the right words are used.
    I also agree with the Mr. White when he says that racism is not over just because we have a black president. That just means that the laws and regulations have changed greatly, but opinions and concepts are still very much alive when it comes to race.
    Then it matters on how people talk about race. They can do it narrow-mindedly and understand one side of the story so it makes it simple to disagree, or as or CES teacher explains issues, he does it to where we can at least see both sides of the story. We can obviously see that the media has trouble with showing both sides of the story but hey, as long as they get high viewing rates right?
    The same with the youtube videos we just saw. They all had good points, but they all were predominately on one side of the racial issue. Black. But they opened my mind to the things we ignore everyday. There is no rational reason why the matters of race should be denied.

    • Desirae Meza permalink

      I definitely agree with you Deshaun, about how Tim Wise explains the issues of race from the past to the present. Tim Wise makes a good point about how people are capable of knowing the truth. Backs then whites were asked if black had an equal opportunity of and more than half of them said yes. So why is it now after Martin Luther Kings speech that blacks are still treated with unequal opportunity? We are the ones who are not accepting the reality of allowing equality. It is assumed that since we have already overcame the obstacle Martin Luther King that race no longer exists. The fact is that it is still occurring today and we deny that it is. I also agree with what Deshaun says about how he points out that the media “has trouble with showing both sides” of a story. Their intended purpose seems to be that race is or is not an issue that we should be worrying about. Just because the media talks about race it does not mean that race is being heard. It seems as if race is only being talked about but nothing is being done. For some people race has been a big issue. As for others like said in the video “ when issues dealing with race occur people are shocked”. This quote is well said about the majority of the population who do not have to deal with race. Minorities that deal with race on a daily are never stunned to hear about race as for some Caucasians find themselves in a dilemma when giving their input about race because they are the ones who least have to deal with race as an issue. Race is a continuing issue and as Tim Wise mentions race will never go away.

  2. Brittany Dyess permalink

    Just as mentioned in class, I agree with the first guy speaking, about how we americans often are focused more on the minor racial events in happening in popular culture, while there are bigger issues that have been around back then and still today. For example, he brought up healthcare for blacks, and in class we mentioned ratios for the majority population in prisons.These are what we need to be discecting and brainsolving for,ways to change this, while at the same time talking about other issues but not directing complete coverage on the smaller issues.
    Tim wise:”white people have the priveledge historically and today of not talking about race and dealing with racial issues ..when issues dealing with race occur we are shocked because we have been in our own bubble where we never deal with issues because we are not inolved in them personally.”.I like how he worded that because that gives the perfect answer to why some avoid the topic about race. White people dont have to deal with it nor does it effect their lives,Unlike other racial groups, whom are constantly facing scenarios thus challenge and cause one to deal with it,a daily and even a couple times a week.. Tim wise response also triggered a possible answer to tom hornes theory of banning the CES classes. He knows white priveledge is still and forever going to be present and he want to keep it this way and prevent having students talk about race and deal with the issues involving race.

  3. beth buechner permalink

    I found all four of these videos very interesting and each correct in a different way. Each video did a great job of pointing out different problems people face in regards to race. In the first video he points out that race issues are not simply black and white and race is not only in emotions, but found majority in institutions such as healthcare. Our culture does not focus on big issues such as race, but rather focuses on pop culture. Today, more people are interested what Britney Spears is wearing or what celebrity is going to rehab instead of real issues that matter. In the second video he focuses on people’s lack of ability to talk about race and how to talk about race. Many people like to ignore it and think it is not an issue. These people are generally white people who have grown up in a sort of bubble where they are not given the situations or tools in order to talk about race. I have experienced this first hand by going to a private catholic high school where issues such as race were brushed over or swept under the carpet with the everything is okay attitude. As for the third video, he makes a great point of how Americans are far from being over racism. A clear example of this is the 2008 elections when many claimed racism was over because we had a black president. However, there were polls asking “is America was ready for a black president?” and much of the news about Obama was regarding his race — showing clearly racism is still prevalent. This he claims is unconscience racism, or the desire to chose white over black. The man in the fourth video says it how it is. Racism is prevalent, regardless of the progress we have made in the past fifty years. Race is very present and is not going anywhere. When filling out a questionaire they ask your name, birthdate, sex then usually race – this is an example of how race is always at the forefront.

  4. Victoria Kolytiris permalink

    After reading each video I thought each of the speakers made valid points in their own way. In the first video from “Pop Life” the speaker makes a statement that race is not just black and white; which many people seem to forget about. He also describes it as being very institutionalized and that the only thing we can do is to change public policy. He also describes our generation with being very obsessed with celebrities and what they’re doing instead of actual important issues in our society. In the second video Tim Wise makes a point that white Americans have never had to think about racist issues because they were never faced with the problem. A lot of the times we choose to ignore the issues than to actually do something about it. In the third video the speaker describes our society by us overcoming the issue of racism by having a black president but that actually has nothing to do with it and that people face issues economically and educationally everyday. And lastly in the fourth video the speaker comes out straight forward and simply by saying race is never going to go away and will always be prevalent in our society.

  5. Kyla Chappell permalink

    After watching these videos, first of all I found them all very interesting and also opened my eyes to various racial points all these guys made. I especially liked Tim Wise’s two videos. He makes a lot of great points, and explains racial ideas in a way that I better understand. I like how he talked about Martin Luther Kings “I Have a Dream” speech, and how white people couldn’t wrap their minds around it. What dream? And mostly, that whites could not recognize any problem at all. He explains in his video also that white people are in this little bubble, not noticing the racial problems occurring, mostly because they have never had to face racial problems. The guy in the first video makes a very interesting point that our society today is obsessed with celebrities and their lives, straying their minds away from crucial problems in our society. A lot of different topics in our world today make us see racial topics as irrelevant or of less importance. Finally, the third video, the most comical makes some blunt comments about racial problems. He states that people who don’t have to deal with racism believe the people who have suffered it should just so easily forget about it. He also makes the connection and comparison with that of the idea of rape. People who have been raped need to just “get over it”-some think. I feel as though this comparison helps relate the feelings of people who have to deal with racism all the time, by comparing it to a topic most everyone thinks of as severe and terrible. Where most majority people believe racism as not severe at all.

  6. Karlie Hall permalink

    Tim Wise explains how white people tend to be oblivious to racism, in that they are in some sort of bubble in which they never have to deal with the implications of race. Due to this he believes that they therefore do not have the correct language when it comes to the topic of race. He describes how that those who are white have never saw race back in the day and still don’t see race because they the ones being ultimately affected by it. Wise states that we are delusional when it comes to race, and that even back in 1960 when racism was at its ultimate height 7/10 white people said that black people were given the same opportunities as whites. Although we see that we have improved from how racism was back then are we still delusional to racism today? Race is seen all around us and although we may think that it is mild compared to how it was in the 1960s it still exists. People choose to ignore it and not confront the issues seen with race but despite people not standing up and making a change we still see issues in our economy and media that centralize around racism.
    The first guy explains how sensitive the subject of race is and how people tend to dissect every comment we state about different races and make it appear offensive. He explains that race isn’t just this black vs. white dilemma that people seem to make it out to be, and that many of the most important race issues don’t rely on the comments people say but on the structural and institutional aspect of fairness. I agree with him in the sense that people are too focused on the racial aspect that race is seen to be too destructive in pop culture, when we are seeing race in greater issues that are affecting people greater, like educational advantages.

  7. Justin Ramos permalink

    The videos as a whole have this trend that propose that the vast majority of Americans today just do not see and do not get the concept of race. the question of whether or not race matters seems so simple and easy to some, but in reality is a hard concept to grasp from others. Being Latino, i myself have grown up with race, it was apart of my upbringing. i saw race and color in everything i did and everywhere i went. when i went to class i would see a room filled with white people and a few speckles of black or brown, so to me it is hard to realize that people just don’t get it. However the last video has enlightened me and made me realize what has been going on throughout history and my life as well. The majority simply do not understand what they can not see. it is not a fault of their own but a product of society. they do not go through the struggles or even situations that some of us of color are seemingly forced to go through. it is like a veil or a curtain that blocks understanding of both sides from the other, with little ability of understanding or seeing. though like the latter video describes people are mostly rational no matter what side they are, comprehension is almost impossible when one does not go through the experiences or situations that allow people to see the concept of race. I know from experiences, both my own and others, and from education that race matters. it is not the ultimate determining factor in one’s life, but it certainly plays a role in our lives and the interactions we have. We may not as a whole see it today but our children and their children will read about it like we do about our parents and their parents before us

  8. Aaron Verhei permalink

    Elon brings up a lot of good points in his video. A lot of Americans used electing President Obama as an excuse saying hey look we aren’t racist anymore. But yet we had to have polls going on asking the country if it was ready for a black person making decisions. If racism was truly over the country wouldn’t have to be asking that type of question. Also he compares racism to rape, that was a bold move but a very good point i say. You wouldn’t tell a rape victim who went through all that to just get over it and yet that is what we are doing to the African Americans. After everything that happened society is basically saying “come on! that was our grandfathers fathers man it happen so long ago! move on already.” Racism is still here and we need to talk about it and work together to fully end it. But like Tim Wise was saying a lot of people don’t ever talk about it so they don’t know how to talk about it and when it comes time that they do have to talk about it they are completely lost and don’t know how to handle it. If we start educating people early about how to talk and handle racism than we can make steps towards fixing the problem i believe.

  9. Racharlle (Landa) Mendoza permalink

    The second and third videos are the ones that stirred up a lot of thoughts in my mind, so these will be the two I will be focusing on in my comment. I feel as if in the first video the white guy is on the “whites” side regarding race while in the third video, Elon is on the “blacks” side regarding race.

    FIRST VIDEO: First of all, one of his first sentences were “whites never think actively about race/racism” which puts a confused look on my face. I get where he is coming from, but I don’t feel like this is true for EVERY SINGLE WHITE. It’s kind of a stereotype in a way. Just because one person is white they don’t think actively about race/racism? DOUBT IT. Let’s say a white guy lived in a black populated neighborhood… you don’t think he would think actively about race/racism? The next thing that popped out to me was his comments on what being white meant; being white is being in their own bubble – obliviously and because they are in their own bubble they do not think, because they don’t think they do not practice, because they don’t practice they don’t have the “language” or “skills” when it comes down to talk about race. Blacks, asians, mexicans, or whatever ethnicity… may be in their own bubble just as much as whites – and may be some whites aren’t even in that “bubble” he is talking about. Lastly, the metaphor of “a book of their collective life” saying that blacks read 400 pages while whites only read the preface. AGAIN, maybe whites have gone through just as much discrimination (in another way) as blacks (vice versa). I just feel like this whole thing could have been looked at in different perspectives other than what was mentioned.

    In the third video, this guy cracks me up.. because he is SO blunt and to me, the things he is saying is ridiculous! Especially the whole “RAPE” analogy… because, I do think it is crazy to compare something like RACE to RAPE. It just doesn’t make sense to me! He also said “my people have been experience rape over 100 years”. HENCE, “my people”… because he is black? WERE ALL PEOPLE. Then he brings up Obama a couple times and says something along these lines: “Yeah, i’ll vote for that nigger but is America ready for a BLACK president to make decisions?” and “Racism is over because Obama is president.. therefore, everything is fair!” If he has actually heard people say this.. they’re ridiculous as well! Man, color of ones skin really shouldn’t matter!!!!

  10. Jacob Holmes permalink

    Race is built into our society, as the first video speaks of, Even in the most listened to media, music, is a key contribution to the large amount of racism in our “equal” country today. As other races, such as blacks still do not have the same health care, this is something that the media promotes, even if it is subconsciously. Elon is correct, everyone thinks everything is “fair” and “equal” but privilege to the other races are not the same as they are to whites, most of the people believe “racism is over” because people voted for racism. Even if white people like black people, and politically show that, it does not even fathom the point of is that if they can even handle race, and what if he fails, does this make a larger cast of racism over blacks? This may be so, but studies show that Americans pick whiteness over blackness, how does this play into Obama being nominated by Americans. This maybe one large step for white Americans, but if he fails, this will cause a more racist culture in America. But of course, if we are white, we are in the “bubble of oblivious” which will ultimately put us back to square one, right where we started.

  11. Reed Clarridge permalink

    Tim Wise states it sweet and simple: because whites are the dominant race in the culture, they never feel the strains systemic and institutional racism puts on a group, so it becomes a non-issue. Individuals often believe because there is not an overt and pervasive presence of blatant racism from the mouth, racism is not a big deal anymore, even though that issue denial is probably the most important evidence of how big a deal it actually is, today.

  12. Alex Vo permalink

    I agree with Reed completely. There is this common belief that racism is over because the majority of people are not directly feeling and enduring the consequences of racial inequalities. We believe that since i am not being discriminated against, or since just because I am not being racially profiled in a negative way; then race does not make a difference. This couldn’t be further from the truth, as racial inequalities have and effect on someones everyday life. It is very unfortunate that something put in motion hundreds of years ago can be nearly impossible to erase. But if we are going to overcome racial inequality in our society, it is important that people gain an understanding of what it is first.

  13. Todd Mehrkens permalink

    Even though the overall thought in the majority of the world is all races are equal, the truth is that race does matter. If all races were seen as the same, then people would not be stereotyped or be discriminated against based on their race, but that is not the case. The world verbally talks about equality among races, but subconsciously those outdated thought of differentiation among race is still in existent. People are taught this through jokes, stereotypes, and the ways others treat you based on your race. I believe these racial beliefs are so ingrained in society that they won’t change, so race will always matter.

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